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Posted by Starogre - July 3rd, 2017

I wasn't aware Newgrounds mods were taking down music videos :(

3 of my best animations I made back in the day were taken down because of no reason sent to me. RIP Gaia Destruction and Over The Hills and Nightwish Collab. Those were my most impressive projects as a teen and I can no longer show how great they were back in the day.

They are on this page of my old website if anyone wants to watch them as a memorial service. Made over a decade ago. http://www.starogre.com/movies.php

I accessed them through my trophies but got the angry faic saying mods deleted them. Why were they deleted? I didn't know things got deleted here because of copyrights similar to youtube. How is Newgrounds supposed to be a bank of internet history if unmonetized things are getting deleted?

This is all assuming it's because of copyrights and not something else. What are the mods doing?

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CaptainJackTHAC0 2017-07-03 13:42:20

Might be copyrighted music. The site isn't 100% funded by supporters yet, and as a result advertisers still pay to have ads play on the site. Most advertisers won't post ads if there is risk of copyright infringement so videos containing music that isn't licensed have been getting taken down

BoMToons 2017-07-03 15:23:30

Tom posted a while back about a major media corp sending a threatening letter about copyrighted music, so he was forced to go on a crusade to delete offending entries (or in some cases replace the audio with a legal version).

TomFulp 2017-07-03 16:47:11

What BoMToons said, our legal trouble was heating up late last year in the music licensing department. The music licensing agencies don't share the same interests as the record labels, they generate a billion dollars a year and their sole purpose is to collect royalties (including minimums if revenue doesn't cover it) wherever music is performed. As a result NG had to crack down on unlicensed music wherever we could find it - the music videos category became a big target.

The content hasn't been permanently deleted, theoretically it could come back in < 100 years but for now NG is more concerned with being around for the next 10.

Starogre 2017-07-03 16:47:11

Yeah I thought that might be the case :( Super understandable. It was scary having not received a message about it, is all

Troisnyx 2017-07-04 06:54:32

You are forgetting one very important thing when comparing Newgrounds to YouTube.

YouTube is run by Google, a company with billions of dollars to its name, and loads of connections. Practically everyone, bar a small subsection of the population, uses it. Anyone up there in the music industry uses it. By virtue of that, Google is able to transfer the licensing funds to whoever it owes money to, when someone infringes copyright. It is also able to set up revenue schemes to the rightful owners when, say, someone does a nonprofit cover of a song that already exists.

Newgrounds is run by people like you and me. This site has been as indie as it was in the beginning. If someone sues Google, they could easily sue successfully because Google have deep pockets. Newgrounds does not. If anyone sues Newgrounds over copyright infringement, however slight, we are going to be damaged more than Google ever is.

So, before you start getting angry at the mods or the staff, maybe think about that first of all.

Starogre 2017-07-04 06:54:32 (Updated 2017-07-05 07:35:35)

It is just weird UX to not send a message about content being taken down to a user, that's all. I get review notifications when a review is deleted but not when my featured animations of years past get taken down. So it's a bit jarring

Another idea could be to allow the author to at least see it so they can download the .swf file for backup

TomFulp 2017-07-05 08:56:14

I had started bulk-emailing people about removals but I never finished with notifying everyone... Wasn't sleeping much and was super depressed & anxious. :(

Starogre 2017-07-05 08:56:14

:'(

Alberto66 2017-07-26 12:46:06

Will you work on flash movies and Super Mario World: BEP Episoade 2?

Starogre 2017-07-26 12:46:06

Yep rewriting the script now. What should it be about?

Alberto66 2017-09-08 20:51:35

Good! How much is percentage on Super Mario World: BEP Episode 2?

Starogre 2017-09-08 20:51:35

about 55%, what do you think the rest of the story should be?

Alberto66 2017-11-03 18:28:35

When will be done Episode 2? How much is Percentage?

Starogre 2017-11-03 18:28:35

about 56%. Could you help with the Voice Acting? I was thinking Leonardo DiCaprio for Luigi

Alberto66 2018-05-26 04:31:41

How much is now % on BEP 2?

Starogre 2018-05-26 04:31:41

Hmm probably like 58%. I'm currently looking for voice actors. Particularly from Guardians of the Galaxy. They were good

Alberto66 2019-06-11 12:19:13

It's still 58% Super Mario World BEP 2?

Starogre 2019-06-11 12:19:13

69% now

Alberto66 2020-11-15 13:35:02

Super Mario World: BEP 2 is still 69% or more? Will be out in 2021?

Starogre 2020-11-15 13:35:02

I am partnered with Netflix to release it in 7 episodes now, 20 min. each. Are you excited?

Alberto66 2020-11-18 18:34:07

@Starogre I don't believe that. How 7 episodes of 20 min. on Netflix?

Starogre 2020-11-18 18:34:07

Believe me, it'll be good

visualizer-art 2020-12-17 14:36:37

Wow starogre this is dustyh from way back when. Can't log in to my old account. Anyway, it's a sad thing when big business stunts creative expression. Imagine all the content in the world that wouldn't exist if it weren't for unlicensed use of music and sound effects... I think as long as it's not for profit (for artistic expression), it should be fair game. But if you're profiting off unlicensed material, that's not really fair to the original content creators. Then again, who's to say. Did Andy Warhol owe Campbell's a licensing fee?

Starogre 2020-12-17 14:36:37

hey man good to hear from you, i lost touch with a lot of people after everyone stopped using AIM :P

yeah, it just kinda sucks because the record labels are the ones going after people and profiting the most, not the content creators like musicians. if there were better direct relationships between content creators (the musicians) and their fans that want to use their music, it'd be so much better. But everyone's wrapped up in all these contracts with their labels. DMCA is starting to be a huge problem on Twitch.tv now too (took long enough), and even Nintendo is starting to go after people for using their games in tournaments without permission. Pretty wild stuff.

Anyways, I'm over it, it'd be cool to visit the page to see old reviews and just not have the animation be playable, but I understand. I've had a few years to come to terms with the direction the internet seems to be going in general :)

You been working on anything lately?

visualizer-art 2020-12-20 13:07:13

@visualizer-art @Starogre Haha, good ol' AIM. Do you use instagram? I do abstract art stuff for fun. (@hartzwork) otherwise I own a bookstore (@midlandstreetbooks) and an art gallery (@art.dept.bc), livin' the dream, I have lots of free time so I decided to mess around with flash again mainly for making abstract vector graphics, which using a CNC router I can turn in to actual 3D pieces. Let me know if you ever want to collab on something!

Starogre 2020-12-20 13:07:13

hell yea that'd be awesome! that all sounds really cool dude :) i followed you with @jonschubbe , my art instagram is also @jonshooby but i haven't posted there since summer T_T

visualizer-art 2020-12-31 04:55:45

@visualizer-art @Starogre @Starogre @art cool cool I followed your accounts as well. Let me know if you need some trippy graphic design for any project, I'd love to have something to do. Yes life is going very well for me, I shouldn't complain.

You'd find this funny, last time we talked I didn't know a lot about programming. But I ended up becoming a Process Control Engineer for Dow Chemical, which was 100% a programming job. I only achieved a partial minor in Computer Science at U of Michigan (all programming of course), but completed degrees in Physics and Neuroscience just for fun as well which involved doing programming in Mathematica, Python, and others I now forget - I'm all about the art now! Haha. But I remember talking to you about vector arrays or something one time, and not having a clue wtf you were talking about. I did enough programming to blow my brains out 0_0 I think it's funny where I ended up, after all that.

At present, I feel a hedonistic lifestyle is not enjoyable without a purpose, you can't just eat grapes all day if you're not also running a kingdom. That's my analogy of the day.

Starogre 2020-12-31 04:55:45

hope all is still well :) i can't find some of the old collabs we did cus collabs were all music videos!! haha

really sad

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