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kelp
well. sadly newgrounds will always be dictated by the lifeless preteen masses who have copious amounts of time to do nothing else but wade through submissions looking for key nouns from either the latest game craze or just to get their rocks off.
those are the majority.
we're not.
so keep finding solid gold duckies to hand out
all i really want out of this is for my dog to stay alive
Yeah, I've kinda noticed that most artists don't really vote, while the twelve-year-olds vote on everything they see, meaning that they choose the top 20.
It also sucks that most people only vote only 0 or 5, but that's another story.
yeah i admit sometimes i'll watch something but not vote on it but i feel strongly for those who get surpassed by sprite movies. it could really be something good to put on a resume or get a school internship somewhere - to win a monthly award. but getting beat out by things that are funny to 12 year olds, is just frustrating. it really gives a lot of motivation to win something and it's just very difficult to succeed without catering to an audience that wants humor in everything
Another dog incident!?
another dog incident?
IMO the top 20 should be chosen by the staff and a handpicked bunch of artists, much like the tank awards are
i agree. Even if the handpicked people are fewer than the people with the most grounds gold deposits, there can still be more than the tank awards. As long as they have proven they have good taste and are fair. There's no way in telling what kind of reputation the people who can currently judge hold...
At the core, Newgrounds is simply a community of artists, whether they be popular comedy cartoonists, aspiring game developers, talented animators with brilliant storytelling, or talented animators with no sense of storytelling. Flashes are judged solely on what the audience of Newgrounds finds entertaining or inspiring. Even if a crappy movie has some beautiful animation (or if it has some relatively cheap video game references), it will rocket to the Top 50 for at least a short period of time because it inspires those who don't know a lot about animating. Even if a unique, fun physics-based game has simplistic geometric graphics (or if it's a porn RPG), it will also rocket to the Top 50 for at least a little while because it's entertaining. It's not often people look for new kinds of art, and new art forms aren't for everyone. Some bizarre works here on Newgrounds just happen to be more successful than others, like David Firth's, Egoraptor's, and MasterAardvark's movies, to name a few. All in all, whatever makes its way to the Top 50 might not always be what the artists of Newgrounds consider impressive, but many great movies and games are still recognized, and they inspire and entertain those who visit the site.
You make a good point. Theres people out there that want a career based off of making a smash hit parody series. The only way to prove their series is 'good' is to see what a huge population thinks of it. The problem is you can't have this type of thing mixed in with more obscure 'art'. I'm a huge hypocrite for bringing up problems with no solutions but I think more emphasis could be put on the issue.
just gotta learn to not let things bother you. I figured that out when I got monthly 6th like 5 times in a row, with a porn game or two always in the top 5 back when they first started doing that stuff. I mean this is a website with a lot of teens on it, so you can expect what wins will be stuff that appeals to teens.
DARN TEENAGERS GET OFF MA LAWN
"ILL SHOOTCHER EYE OUT IF YOU HARASS MY SQUIRRELS AGAIN" -lady in my neighborhood
those aren't squirrels, they're walruses
i think the lady was a walrus so i can see why she'd say that then
At JonBro:
Egoraptor, bizzare? Ok, MGA 1 was really original and stuff like that was unseen (even though it was a video game parody), but he's pretty much taken over NG.
And, yeah, lenko has the right idea.
you could always just give him some epicafe in his food and watch that duck come out like a speeding bullet.
it is a very very large duck.
PFT what a BORING NEWS PO---
Wat.
Your dog ate a solid gold duck?
Lmao, thats awful yet hilarious at the same time.
dude gold ducks are not cheap and neither is removing them
@idiot-monarch I didn't think Egoraptor was the best example of my point, but he was one of the Newgrounds artists who popped into my head for some reason.
Ur just mad dat u cant maek a gewd sprite moovee eh?
no i'm mad people aren't giving me money for my dog
Most artists dont vote because that aspect of the site doesnt really matter to them. Myself included. Most people create shit because they have a creative calling to do so, its not so much for the sake of hoping to get on the top 50 or whatever.
As for the general audience being given power, thats the unique personality of the newgrounds portal, i dont know why it comes as a shock or outrage to you now even though its been like it for almost 15 years now?
People are given more power as they vote and deposit more. It doesnt claim to be the ultimate fair judgement system but its a system thats worked well and kept newgrounds afloat. No of course its not perfect and sometimes its downright frusterating, but theres something kind of interesting about a system like that. Its like trying to prove yourself to your stepfather who already wants nothing to do with you.
Meh i dunno, id never want it to change or give artists more power just because they create. We're not creating for other artists or to become more powerful anyway, we're creating to share with an audience that for the most part will probably never touch flash and just wants to be entertained.
yeah i agree. i don't care too much about the scoring system itself. i guess if you have to automate monthly voting that's the only way...however i do check out the front page and daily awards a lot.
i guess the biggest thing to me is the exposure people get. if i made something as awesome as 'Still Life Eternal' i linked to above, in school, i'd want as much exposure as i could get on it and possibly SOME SORT of award to help promote it. it's just sad to see stuff like that being beat out by sprite movies...
like i said, this site does have multiple purposes and that is what makes it great. it's just hard to see people that use it for fun beat out people that take their animation seriously and want to get a job doing it.
Luis is an asshole
dude give me money
I feel the same way man, I actually said something similar in the thread, about a third down the page.
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1174262/2">http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1 174262/2</a>
I'm as frustrated as you :[
yeah seriously that movie should be up for a tank award or something. the tree at the end was magnificent!
The NewGrounds community is a dictator ship with a false hope of democracy. Although you think you have power over what comes and goes, it really those with the bigger ego that get the biggest say.
I believe that whenever the staff handpicks things, they do a good job. It's the certain part of the userbase being allowed to pick things that is the problem.
Very true. Sad but true. I can think of many other flashes that deserved a spot on that list....
I wish i was allowed access to the voters' panel just to see all the submissions on one page and how easy or hard it really was for the voters to choose the winners
I gave up this fight with Brawl Funnies.
And yea its never about my own shit. Its the feeling that other superior talent should get the recognition in place of the tons of other nonsense. But thats just the way NG is. Not everyone can understand artistic vision. Everyone can understand Mario getting slapped in the face with a pie.
Also Les Cirque Enfants I ended up favoriting as soon as I saw it. Funny that you made a news post inspired by the treatment it got.
yeah that and Still Life Eternal are awesome. 19th and 20th place lmao seriously the rest of the list is BS except for maybe appsros cartoon
also, correct, i am not complaining about the stuff i have done personally that gets beat out. there are new people all the time that submit fantastic work and they are probably confused as hell about why they aren't getting any recognition
Hulalaoo
The Life is hard
Starogre
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